>> well, brenda, you know, that if bigger government meant for more employment, california and france would have the most vital economies in the world. i've been in a lot of different parts of the country speaking with small business people and you know, my conference of course, drew millions. the exciting one that they couldn't get to get to. (laughter) the lecture how to keep your company below 49 employees and avoid obamacare, and i listened to the guy talk and the number one conclusion, hire less people and everybody else said, you know what? you're right. you can't layer on another layer and another layer and another layer to small business people. i'm not going to talk to the big guys and for the small business guys, look, that's my money, i'll just have two less people and make up the difference in profits, by the people working harder, that's how it works. >> stephan, we did see he a big selloff in wall street voted after the election and then the layoffs from a wide variety of industries. how do you read that? what does that mean for hiring? >> i've just always been suspiciou